Claim: “Many contemporary historians noted Jesus”

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  • *V*-“@tzioneretz: There is not a single one who did so.”

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Claim: “You have everything to lose if you’re wrong about God, so why not believe just in case?

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  • Debater Responses:*V*-“@atheistmel:  If I can fool god into thinking I believe in him when I really don’t, that’s fairly damaging to his credibility as an all-knowing being!”
  • *V*-“@DonQuixote1950: Pascal’s Wager ONLY applies if God is sociopath who demands blind allegiance based on: Bible? Koran? Book of Mormon? Which one?”
  • “@OldRifleman: There are 3,000 of them so far.What if you pick the wrong one?Pascals wager.”
  • “@Peter301164: which god and is this god really easily fooled by dishonest selfish protestations of belief?”
  • *V*-“@tzioneretz: You have everything to lose if you’re wrong about God, so why not believe just in case?”Pascal’s Wager. (1) Would “god” accept such opportunism in lieu of genuine affection? (2) Which of the thousands of “gods” should one believe in, and what if one chooses wrongly? Statistically, the odds of choosing the “correct” “god” are much worse than the odds that no type of “god” exists at all.
  • *V*-“@DonQuixote1950:  Believing in wrong god, just as bad as believing in no god (if only 1 god). BUT there r NO gods! Deal w/it! (Not u, them)”
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Claim: “Complex things must have a designer and complex design is everywhere, so god exists.”

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(Also linked from: DNA and other creations, like our eyes, are too complex to be naturally developed.)
Debater Responses:
  • *A*-“@FreeAtheism: Complexity does not automatically equal design. Scientists have observed & explained natural processes which develop very complex systems. No magic needed.”
  • *A*-“@tzioneretz: ‘Complex’ is a normative term (i.e. can mean different things to different people).  Many things that could be deemed complex occur through transparent natural processes, without any external intervention.  In any case, if the Big Bang theory is true, then the origin of the universe was extremely simple: energy, which gradually and naturally converted into matter.  There is no need for a “god” to explain any of it.  By the way, which “god” are we talking about?
  • *A*-“Allallt–  You can assert that complexity equates to design all you like. But can you demonstrate it to be true?  Complexity comes from evolution (whether it be stellar, biological or galactic etc.) And that can be demonstrated. Stages of stellar and galactic evolution have been captured by the Hubble telescope. Biological evolution is one of the most tested and best understood scientific theories (up there with relativity and gravity).

    Take biological evolution, for example. It has certain limitations: it cannot create an irreducibly complex feature. A designer could. We don’t see an irreducibly complex feature anywhere in nature. Human designers have created more efficient versions of biological features (haemoglobin is the thing I’m thinking of). Whereas natural haemoglobin is representative of something that prior forms and… well… evolved.
    It seems desperate to interpret a Designer (let alone a perfect one) from this.”

    *V*-“FreeAtheism: Then, arguably something MORE complex would the designer need to be. So then there absolutely is a designer of your god. No?”


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Claim: “The Bible is Inerrant and makes perfect sense if you understand how to read it.”

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  • *V*-“@AtheistMel: The bible has been written, re-written, edited, translated, and re-translated, countless times. It is full of contradictions. For example: “For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved.” (Genesis 32:30), vs “No man has seen God at any time.” (John 1:18).
  • *V*“@tzioneretz: If the alternative to accepting the Bible is eternal perdition in hellfire, then “god” should have created it in such a way that it is not open to interpretation or “understanding” “how” to read it.”
  • *V*Allallt–  The Bible itself doesn’t tell us how to interpret it. Given all the ways in which it is interpreted, God has clearly not predisposed us to interpret it the right way. Therefore, you are asking me to trust the mental gymnastic you are doing to square the book against its own contradictions and its clashes with evidence and reality.”

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Claim: “The Bible is an accurate historical document.”

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Debater Responses:

  • *V**DNA is far too complex, to develop by chance. Its proof of Design*“@tzioneretz: Many resources exist that demonstrate how many events — including the historicity of “Jesus” — described in the Bible are either not corroborated by independent sources or greatly deviate from them.”
  • *V*-“Allallt– Burden of proof. To demonstrate this claim you need to take extra-Biblical evidence and line it up against Biblical account to see to what extent they corroborate each other.

    The occasional mistake can be put down to misinterpretation of the evidence (I’ll grant that). But mostly being wrong, or being wrong on big things (like Noah’s flood) demonstrates that it is not historically accurate. Balls in your court.”


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Claim: “The advanced science knowledge in the Bible, proves divine influence.”

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  • *V*-“@AtheistMel: There is not a single thing written in the bible that you wouldn’t expect Bronze Age goat herders to know.   It contains no science, and contradicts science in many places. For example, it references 4 legged insects- of which none exist. Claims of the age of the earth, the existence of a global flood, and the existence of an original single man and woman have all been debunked by modern science.
  • *V*-“@tzioneretz: There exists not a SINGLE scientific discovery made by virtue of reading/following/interpreting the Bible or the Qur’an.  All such claims were made ex post facto, i.e. discovery made by scientists first, tenuously latching onto a vague verse decades or centuries later.”
  • *V*“Nearly 2600 years ago the Bible professed the earth was round… It’s still wrong… It’s spherical… ” -Unknown

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Claim: “Jesus sacrificed himself for you and me, taking away our sins.”

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Debater Responses:  (no particular order)
  1. *v*-“@AtheistMel:  There is no real evidence that event ever occurred, or that Jesus ever even existed.
    My question to you would be why god required a human sacrifice to forgive us? As an all powerful, and apparently all loving god, why would he not simply say “I forgive you”, rather than torturing himself in human form? It is pure and utter nonsense.”
  2. *v*-“Allallt  As a moral person, who believes strongly in justice (as a value), I cannot see the justice in this system of throwing our guilt and our responsibility onto the only innocent person who ever lived, and was murdered, by torture, against his will.”
  3. *v*-“@tzioneretz: Apart from the fact that the historicity of a “Jesus” is highly questionable, I never asked to be “sinful” or for anyone to “sacrifice” him-/herself for me.  Further, if I am “sinful,” then that is the fault of the “god” that “created” me such.”
  4. *V*-“@FreeAtheism: Anyone knowing he would suffer a bit, die and awaken in a few days to rule the universe, didn’t sacrifice anything, did he?”

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