Claim: “We don’t follow the all the laws of the Old Testament, because Jesus died for us.”

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  • *V*-“@tzioneretz:  We don’t follow all the laws of the Old Testament, because Jesus died for us.”
    Firstly, why do we follow ANY of them if “Jesus died for us”? Should not ALL of them have been abrogated by virtue of his death? Secondly, could an alternative explanation not be that we do not follow them because we have become civilized societies since the Bronze Age in which they were devised (such as stoning people for adultery)? We do not follow others because they are inconvenient (sacrificing livestock for various infractions or notable dates) or ridiculous (not wearing clothes made of mixed fabric) or harmful (“assessing” if a suspected adulteress is guilty by having her drink a cocktail of water and dust). Lastly, who selects which indeed are followed and which are not, and on what basis?

*V*-“@FreeAtheism: That’s just a side story. Actually, society has long since deemed the behavior in the OT to be morally reprehensible. Thats why you don’t follow such ideas.”

*V*-“Jesus didnt come to change the law … read your book, without the excuses http://t.co/mOu3X5LVFs”


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Claim: ” DNA is a code, with information, which indicates a message and a designer.”

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Claim: “The universe is too perfect for life to be an accident. (finely tuned by design)”

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Debater Responses:
  •  *V*-“@tzioneretz: The universe is a total mess. If stars and planets were drivers, they’d all long have had their licenses revoked. they are born and they die every day, they bump into each other, they explode, they cause cataclysmic disasters to each other… – it happens over long period of time and is not readily visible… – until an asteroid hits us one day. Anyway, is it so inconceivable that on one out of trillions of planets during billions of years atoms and molecules aligned in just the right way as to give rise to a simple life-form, which then evolved over hundreds of millions of years into various species?
  • *V*-“@Auldshamen:  The universe is too perfect for life to be an accident. (finely tuned by design)
    Let’s examine this finely tuned by design premise. The universe is so hostile to life that to think we humans got this far is amazing. If we leave this planet, we die instantly unless we take our atmosphere with us. Cosmic radiation is deadly.
    The Earth is quite hostile as well. Seventy-five percent of its surface is covered with water that we cannot drink because the salt content will kill us. If we venture into the ocean or lakes, we have to take our atmosphere there as well. Just swimming in the ocean is dangerous to us from predators. Tsunamis are a danger if we live near the coast.
    Earthquakes and volcanoes constantly threaten us. We can’t live at the poles because it’s much too cold for our frail bodies and no food grows there. That leaves about 20% of the land mass that’s accessible to us. Of that 20% there are mountains that are much too high to support our inefficient air intake system. And there are many desert areas that are much too hot for our inefficient cooling system.
    We must be very careful about the foods we eat because much of the plant life is poisonous. We must thoroughly clean our food to prevent the intake of bacteria. There are predators on the land that will kill us.
    We are constantly being threatened by viruses, bacteria and poisons.
    FINE TUNED INDEED!

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Claim: “The W.L. Craig Kalam Cosmological Argument proves God exists.”

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  • *V*@tzioneretzIf everything needs to have a cause, then so does “god.” Who/what created “him”? And if the response is that “god” is “eternal” and needs no creator, then why can the same not hold true for the universe? By the way, which “god” are we talking about?”
  • *V*-@FreeAtheism: We actually can’t verify that there are no causeless things.  We are not omniscient and cannot verify all the forces and events of the universe, to then know they all have causes.
  • *V*-“@FreeAtheism: If the the Kalam Cosmo argument worked, AT BEST it gets you to an unknown cause and not a conscious one. Certainly no deity.”


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Claim: “We don’t follow the all the laws of the Old Testament, because Jesus died for us.”

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Debater Responses:

  • *V*-@tzioneretz:  Firstly, why do we follow ANY of them if “Jesus died for us”? Should not ALL of them have been abrogated by virtue of his death? Secondly, could an alternative explanation not be that we do not follow them because we have become civilized societies since the Bronze Age in which they were devised (such as stoning people for adultery)? We do not follow others because they are inconvenient (sacrificing livestock for various infractions or notable dates) or ridiculous (not wearing clothes made of mixed fabric) or harmful (“assessing” if a suspected adulteress is guilty by having her drink a cocktail of water and dust). Lastly, who selects which indeed are followed and which are not, and on what basis?

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Claim: “People in the time of Jesus were credible and not gullible.”

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  • *V*-“@tzioneretz: They were simple and uneducated, without access to what scientific information was available. In any event, not one single person alive at the time “Jesus” was supposedly shooting off miracles left and right made any kind of record of him or his actions.”

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Claim: “Jesus was divine, proven by the resurrection, miracles and witnesses in the bible.”

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Debater Responses:

  •  *V*@tzioneretz:There is as much evidence for either “Jesus” or his opus being real as there is for the Little Mermaid, i.e. NONE”
  • *V*-“You believe in a book with this many Contradictions? http://www.project-reason.org/bibleContra_big.pdf
  • *V*-“@FreeAtheism: Even if you could show the bible stories happened, were indeed witnessed and that prophecies truly predicted particular events, nothing verifies that anything resembling divinity played any part.”
  • *V*-“@karlmeyer:  No contemporaneous verification so the miracles are valueless. As an edited compilation, prophecies are self referring at best.”
  • *V*-“@atheistedu: Christianity. It’s utter nonsense. It’s time to move on. When you’re ready, you’ll have a friend in me. #atheist pic.twitter.com/PQpei1fzZs
  • “@eighty8uk:  Harry Potter is the word of magic, due to all the spell-casting in it”
  • *V*-“@Abandonfaith:  The miracles and fulfilled prophesies are only written about in the same mythology. Plus other religions make the same claims.”
  • “@SARAH_Global: The miracles & fulfillied prophecies are all imaginery, so that quote debunk itself, words in a book are not its own evidence.”
  • “@MaryWakulik: The prophecies are all ambiguous and people enjoy the mysticism. Also they were interpreted after they happened.”
  • “@DennySmith45: 1. Any “miracles” since science geared up? NT reverse-engineered to “fulfill” prophecies: nearly 200 years after crucifixion.”
  • “@atheistNL62: “Just by repeating this like a mantra, doesn’t make it true. Confirm every miracle and fullfilled prophecy w/ evidence””
  • “@atheistNL62: Due to the many reports of witnesses ….UFO’s and Big Foot exist!”
  • “@Jinxanna: What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof.”
  • “@DohMartel: miracles? like the god given light, that can give us cancer and turn us blind?”

Common Sense, Using Ridicule and/or Requiring Proof:
  • “@JimPuniard:  only response.. Bullshit. Prove it.”
  • “@neiljhenry: Hahahahahahahahahaha Name one.”
  • “@DeclanChellar: “Bollocks”.”
  • “@QuasaiLama: My response, “Oh FFS, grow up!””
  • “@Runningatheist: Example please.”
  • “@DavgDavid: Yeah, and I graduated from Hogwarts.”

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