*V*–“@tzioneretz: If everything needs to have a cause, then so does “god.” Who/what created “him”? And if the response is that “god” is “eternal” and needs no creator, then why can the same not hold true for the universe? By the way, which “god” are we talking about?”
*V*-@FreeAtheism: We actually can’t verify that there are no causeless things. We are not omniscient and cannot verify all the forces and events of the universe, to then know they all have causes.
*V*-“@FreeAtheism: If the the Kalam Cosmo argument worked, AT BEST it gets you to an unknown cause and not a conscious one. Certainly no deity.”
Common Sense, Using Ridicule and/or Requiring Proof: