Claim: “God gives us free will.”

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Debater Responses:  (no particular order)

  • *V*-“@AtheistMel: If god created me, and knows my ultimate fate right at this moment, then I am powerless to change that fate. If I am powerless to change that fate, then I do not have free will. If I CAN change that fate, then god is not truly all-knowing. It can’t be both.”
  • “@Gspellchecker:  @kevinGIG3 God gives u free will” + So we have free will because an all powerful creator insists upon it?  #MandatoryFreeWill   …(via Twitter, not submitted, NOT for Verbatim use)
  • *V*  “I love that passage from the Bible, Ex 4:21. It’s a REALLY good example of when god is willing to directly intervene to take away someone’s free will, and his willingness to punish an individual for doing something that *he had no free will not to do.” ~Unknown Author
  • *V*-“@Allallt:  “I know what you will do in the future. It is impossible for me to be wrong. Therefore you will do exactly what I already know you will do. But you have freewill. I insist.- God””
  • The Bible Reloaded:  Not true. Looking beyond the obvious philosophical arguments, the Bible itself has confirmation of this prevention of free will. If we study the text of Exodus, we can find clear examples. One such example is the “hardening of pharaoh’s heart.” Here’s an example:  Exodus 4:21- “The Lord said the Moses, “When you return to Egypt, see that you perform before Pharaoh all the wonders I have given you the power to do. But I will harden his heart so that he will not let the people go.” (NIV Translation)
  • *V*-“Robert Klauka:  If God exists, there is no such thing as free will. An omniscient God knows exactly what you will do every minute of every day. An omnipotent God controls what you do every minute of every day. Free will cannot exist under those conditions.”
  • *V*Kathy Orlinsky: More and more brain research is indicating that none of us truly have free will. In many experiments, people initiate actions before they consciously decide to do the action (http://stochasticscientist.blogspot.com/2013/04/you-only-think-you-have-free-will.html). This shows that we don’t operate as a single, self-aware entity and that most of the time, we aren’t totally in control of the things we do. An excellent book on this subject is “Incognito” by David Eagleman. In short, God can’t have given us free will because we have no free will in the first place.”

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One thought on “Claim: “God gives us free will.”

  1. To my knowledge, there was no discussion between God, Mary and Joseph about her impending rape. Depending in which version you read, God *told* them he would be impregnating her. There is no indication that she had a choice (free will). There is no indication that Joseph had the option of not being chumped by a God who wanted to have his way with Joseph’s wife. No free will for either.

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